Hacking the Afterlife with Jennifer Shaffer, Luana Anders, John E Mack, Carl Sagan

We don't plan our podcasts in advance, and let the folks on the flipside, our class organized by Luana Anders (my pal who passed in 1996 and who brought me and Jennifer together).  Luana is in charge of the topics discussed and the guest list.

Podcast begins with a discussion about the recent tragic events in Israel. Some of Jennifer's sessions are involved with people whose children serve in the military overseas or are scheduled to serve.

In our podcast we generally don't discuss matters involved with the future, as the research shows that the future is not set, we have free will to change outcomes, but important to mention that a medium like Jennifer has better access to likely outcomes, which people on the flipside have more access to.

There's a discussion of how prayers work, meditation functions, how people on the flipside are aware of the trauma and issues involved.  Also an unusual bit of new information about those involved in perpetrating trauma - and what their observations are about being on the other side.

It's not something we've covered before, and a first to hear that people of like energy - that is the people causing mayhem - find themselves in a holding place, or locale where they wait for their life reviews, which in the cases of those who cause mayhem may last for a long time.

Because they have the experience of seeing all the trauma, all the negativity in others that they've caused, they experience that first hand as if they were the victims.  We've heard this before in terms of a person's life review - that those who create joy in others experience that, and those who create the opposite experience the negativity caused in front of the audience of their classmates, council members, guides.

It's a hellish description, and I tried to clarify that this wasn't a permanent location (as the research is consistent about the fact that everyone eventually returns home, there are no dungeons on the flipside, however there are those who are voluntarily placed in a form of isolation. (This was reported in Michael Newton's JOURNEY OF SOULS.)

Then, I invited a person forward that I wanted to speak to - the Pulitzer prize winning author John E Mack who died in a car accident at age 74. He was famous because while at Harvard, he started a study with people who had been "abducted" during their experiences with UFO's, and he took a lot of heat in his career over publishing those detailed accounts.

It was interesting to put him together with J. Allen Hynek, someone I knew in my youth, the author of Project Blue Book, and the man responsible for the term "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."  Jennifer was not aware of who John was, or his last name, which I didn't reveal until the end of the conversation.

We also invited Carl Sagan forward, because they were friends - Jennifer couldn't have known that either when she said "I'm getting the feeling that he's a buddy." We have interviewed Carl before - about what it was like for him to realize he was on the other side.  He told us in BACKSTAGE PASS TO THE FLIPSIDE that he "spent a lot of time wandering different vistas without seeing anyone" because he didn't believe - or was of the strong belief - that no one would be there.

It took him a "long time" to shift his focus to realize that people still did exist, and he could interact with them. He appears a number of times in our interviews, and each time brings a bit of his wit and sense of humor.

We know this is all disconcerting for many - the topics involved.  All we can do is report. Jennifer Shaffer works with law enforcement agencies daily, we met eight years ago and I realized she was like having a "cell phone" to the flipside.  It may not always be clear what the message is, but I found that if I tailor my questions to what I know about another person, I can gain new information. Things that the general public doesn't know - and Jennifer couldn't know until she says the answer that she's getting.

Hope this helps.